Maybe it was JL #27 IIRC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. @joshn05: We don’t agree with everything so that’s fine. Nah, should be Grandmother by the new cosmology. You see i would say it does because they appeared on it's "body" against it's will. You just said that Perpetua and the Hands built something within it without it’s permission. mfw i realize that mj and xearesay are the same person, Michaeljulius doesn’t listen even when you prove him wrong, There is more but I’ve seen them argue against each other they ain’t the same, And personally I think anyone would hate being compared to Michaeljulius. It wasn't given to her. Beyonder vs Perpetua # Perpetua Yep , she help to create dc universe , isn't she? The Spectre Perpetua seems like she is easily beyond the Spectre's paygrade, but it's still way too early to make a final call about her. Heck Overvoid was even scared of 1 … It woke up in response to something being created on it. Mandrakk is not an aspect of Mar. The point is that he extended from the Overvoid before the rest of the Monitors even existed and watched Mar and Anti Monitors conflict in the flaw. There's dozens of writers at DC and they all work on the same Multiverse. The sunk cost fallacy is a hell of a thing. Oblivion 2 mo 18 d . The hands put the Fuginauts in power. You are a very sad individual who can't handle any form of criticism about his favorite fictional characters which you obviously adore to death somehow. That's manipulation. Yes. It's not case closed just because you want it to be, lol. What you're suggesting contradicts what we know and is complete headcanon. Voting feed. Everyone likes to look at what happened while forgetting the context, even perpetus destroying ones universe at a time was because she asked them whether they would side with her or not before deciding to destroy them or not. An example would be Morrison's canon. I'm not afraid. That doesn't matter from the scope of the Overvoid. That’s the purpose of having a retroactive continuity, things that change in the future in reality can change the past of comics erasing or adding things to continuity as if they always existed. Your reply confirms what i have said before. If you haven't realized yet but... 1) This whole back and forth stuff is funny to me. Separating each thing done to the DCU by an author is sticking a giant middle finger to the work these editors do to keep DC as consistent as possible. Mobius was created by a Super Celestial named Perpetua in the Sixth Dimension alongside his brothers Mar Novu and Alpheus. Also didn’t I already break this down to you months ago in another thread? Honestly, outside of here and Vsbattleswiki, no one separates each writers work into different canons. It’s also a complete misrepresentation of the relationship between both characters. It's not like Orlando is a a huge celeb or anything. You wouldn’t say because she pulled materials and energy from the Source that she must also be superior to the Source as well? However, the one named Perpetua desired to eliminate the judges by using the seven hidden forces to make a multiverse she could use as an everlasting weapon. Perpetua easily wins. Because Perpetua tore part of it an used it to make something. Perpetua is a 6D being who created the superstructure of the entire multiverse, created three fully multiversal++ beings, casually owned Brainiac 1M(who was capable of downloading, and destroying, the hundredS of universes/timelines that he … Ok.. How does this change the fact that we know his statement made by Alpheus is not applicable to Mandrakk? And I'm not sure why you wrote all that to me. When her purpose was achieved, she created an army of super predators to fight her brothers and sisters. The point of the analogy is literally to highlight how even though we can build houses on the Earth, these houses are relatively inferior to the planet we build on. Crisis Squad lost this argument before it began. If I was making analogy that revolves around comparing the Overvoids sentience then yes it would. He came into existence during during COIE and observed the activity of the first crisis. One is the energy out there and the other is the space. Perpetua had been sent from the greater Omniverse to build a new Multiverse, and the three brothers were its first inhabitants. It just means you can't handle the discussion here and need to troll to try to cover up how wrong you were on these subjects. But she did? He’s talking about the nature of the concept he’s mentioning throughout his interview as the white page. You're missing the point. She's the mother of the monitors Mar Novu, Alpheus, Mobius, and Overvoid - who observe different parts of the multiverse to prevent their demise. Each adding new stuff to what we already know. @superprimetime: yeah i was just meming. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Does that mean I've now been manipulated by the ant? Like oh my god XD. White page = what allows stories to exist. That's why it sent a probe, because, in essence, it had been attacked. Overmonitor is a gigantic vast intelligence named Monitor but referred to in places as "Overmonitor" or "Overvoid", discovered the Bleed and the DC Multiverse within, a 'flaw' at its heart. Meant to tag Etriel/Mandrakksfang. @mandrakksfang: Lol let me guess will this “friend” be another pathetic 30 year old man who stalks and pursues people online over their differing views on fictional characters? Anyone reading knows how toxic you are and how afraid you are to even discuss these comics in a civil manner. LOL just because the hands can build creations within the Overvoid, doesn't mean they're able to control or influence it. White page = what allows stories to exist. And everything that exist within the Overvoid is absolutely nothing to it. What comic is this from? Grant Morrison said in an interview that Overvoid = Source, though. I know that isn't hard for you to understand, so I don't really get why you are being so obtuse about it. @enigma22: The point is that The Source literally exist in the Overvoid and straight up emerged from it. Quite literally they ask to lend a hand to WW for a future threat coming. The character shown is called 'Chronicler' and is sent from and protected by the source to record multiverses just before they die. Knull solos both depowered, i see it more as everything is an aspect of the Presence and those two are just there to be extra puppets in the story saying they are connected and be done with it, the overvoid peed itself because it saw batman with prep, "The Overvoid is a tool being used by The Presence/Source. @joshn05: lol no he didn’t. The World Forgeralso known asAlpheusis the first son ofPerpetuaand brother of theMonitorand theAnti-Monitor. All it does add who the maker of the flaw was, which was something left open by Grant to begin within. At this point I can only assume you are being deliberately obtuse and obstructionist because you know you are wrong. The Anti-Monitor 10. We all know what the responses will be from that group, any and all statements will be inverted and polarized because you know you have nothing now but to scramble and try to flood threads with memes so only a few notice you were wrong. I'm not the one disputing Perpetua is more powerful than Mandrakk. Say what you want about the interview, doesn't bother me. EVERYTHING is canon right now. I think Raven is for sure more powerful than Diana, but restricts herself The word overvoid is not mentioned in your scans at all, and the idea that a being as insignificant as mandrakk is superior to the hands is utter nonsense. The Source and the Overvoid are like, the exact same thing, or at least they're equivalent. It isn't the same as peretua tearing pieces from the overvoid without permission. I'm not talking about other beings and I'm not disputing in recent canon the hand is perpetuas. They were never the original owner of it that Krona saw at the dawn of time. Although I’m pretty sure there was a solicitation that directly mentions Mandrakk being a threat that started out in COIE. Nothing is really separate. Both writers worked with the entire DCU and added things overtime. 2. All I see is Monitor wankers grasping for straws and it is hilarious tbh. It's a past canon, in which Perpetua played no part because she was not invented yet. Right? The hands put the Fuginauts in power. The hands put the Fuginauts in power. All I see is Momitor wankers grasping for straws and it is hilarious tbh. The Great Evil Beast 5. @alonis3612: It’s not. Numerous people have provided the same scan to you in the past, the one where it shows Perpetua saying she tore pieces of the overvoid. He also drains the Spectre and Radiant yet they appeared afterward, so the stories have nothing in common. This just gets better and better. That's all she wrote. Like i have said before. Hence why he’s calling both of them the white page. No beings were ever trying to become the hand. Also, the Source was retconned back to the Overvoid and not the Presence. Mandrakk only rose to power by eating other universes as a cosmic vampire. Unless you can provide me a scan of The Source wielding the Overvoid then you’re spewing lies in this discussion. The thing is i'm pretty sure that it wasn't The Overvoid's idea to let the DC ceation stem on it's canvas. Anti Monitor, Volthoom, all of them. The Source!". At full power she would stomp Mandrakk I’m not even going to mention she converted to connective energy the Source gave her into crisis energy, once again even in her weakened state she accomplished something no other villain has done and that was for the battle her Battle to penetrate all the way to the overvoid and for the hand to be sent to terminate her existence before crisis energy made her too powerful. @deagonx you want to take a stab at trying to educate this kid? Never. In what you’re calling past canons, those beings were trying to become the hand. Because someone with authority is going to finally tell you've been wrong all these years? Parallax or is it someone else entirely? My point is that in past canons, before she was ever even a rough idea, the hand was implied to be other people. You live in a perpetuate fantasy world and if there is even the slightest form of resistance against breaking or challenging your fantasy you latch out like a petulant child who's dream-like existence is ruined. From the Overvoid, protected by the Source. You can't use something from a past series where we know it was incorrect and use it to apply it to perpetua. Snyder establishing that Perpetua was the Hand that we see at the dawn of creation and the maker of the flaw changes nothing about the origin presented during Final Crisis. And since Rox killed The Spectre and The Radiant, it's only logical for The Presence to also be dead. The hand that we see at the dawn of creation that all those powerful beings in DC seek to become is Perpetuas. Mandrakk = the Corrupted side of the Overvoid. Obviously not. @xearesay: First of all, I'm not Etriel anymore than you are Michael Julius. And your point being? I'm asking because I'd prefer not to ascribe malice to your method of arguing here if there is a reason not to. Explained in the JL Annual, Perpetua is one of many creating many multiverses across the "Greater Omniverse"(pretty much the same thing with Overvoid) and the Source created her and others like her to make said multiverses. Right? @mandrakksfang: What you’re pointing out is wrong though. Manipulated implies they have control over the Overvoid. R2: Mii gunner, brawler, and sword fighter vs Wizard sim, vampire sim, and an alien sim. Crisis Squad lost this argument before it began. Also, the Source was retconned back to the Overvoid and not the Presence. You need to be consistent. I’m not even gonna start on how technically any form of energy was created by connective or crisis energy so technically sun radiation was made from that energy meaning it’s like saying Superman shouldn’t get feats from the sun see the issue? No, it's someone who has worked with DC comics and might be able to get me in touch. Hence why he’s calling both of them the white page. The whole purpose of a supercelestial which is the name of perpetua’s race is to make a multiverse and die, so she was at the average power level of her species since all of them are given that power, so Perpetua at full power is her with that given power. Beyonder vs Perpetua # Perpetua She stomp. Soulphoeni. I mean, a dunce in a corner wearing a duncecaap might laugh at the situation, but that doesn't mean he understands it. What really happened is that Perpetua and the hands built something within it without it’s permission. If you haven't realized yet but... 1) This whole back and forth stuff is funny to me. @mandrakksfang: No. But: 1. And The Overvoid couldn't stop it because it's a mere tool after all. The Hands are the race that Perpetua came from, they necessarily aren't more powerful, she fears them because of her battle with BWL, they locked her up in the Source Wall, and her power was always diminished afterward, so she fears her partners would come and get her if not then the Multiverse she created, BWL clearly states he alongside positive energy WW could kill them. Lastly is the 6th dimension storyline which which adds Perpetua, the Ultra Monitor, and goes deeper into stuffo n the Dark Multiverse . The reason people say Mandrakk killed The Presence is because right before Final Crisis the Spectre and The Radiant were established as being unkillable until The Presence himself dies. 2. That's manipulation. Making her children from the nothingness =/= she’s superior to the Overvoid. You wouldn’t say because she pulled materials and energy from the Source that she must also be superior to the Source as well? Lol you are a clown Overvoid made Mandrakk after Anti-Monitor and Monitor aka Mar Novu were made either way Mar Novu predates Mandrakk but in current canon Dax Novu is an aspect of Mar Novu. MM discovered the flaw because Perpetua tore pieces from it. She’s performing a minuscule action that would literally have no effect on the Overvoid whatsoever. Perpetua isn't mentioned in Morrisons story because she literally wasn't conceived of yet. One is the energy out there and the other is the space. It's pretty clear with what we know now the hands are a race, and the literal hand we have seen for so long in the most recent canon belong to the specific hand (as in race) Perpetua. It’s only up until now they started trying to formulate some direct relationships. The overvoid is the space that all existence is. It's shown that there are beings above her such as the ones that imprisoned her and Lucifer is most likely above her too. He directly predates the rest of the Monitors and when the single universe split back into a Multiverse. Like imagine that. Twitch!!! They made changes against the Overvoid. Perpetua not being a known character is irrelevant because in the verse she was retroactively established as the original owner of the hand are the dawn of creation. SO you could say that was specifically made for Final Crisis, tho it's a great series. It's directly said that Monitor Mind discovered the flaw and defined itself in relationship to the flaw. He previously fought Spider-Man in the 23rd episode of DEATH BATTLE!, Batman VS Spider-Man, Captain America in the 36th episode, Batman VS Captain America, and Black Panther in the 88th episode, Black Panther VS Batman. @superprimetime: Yeah my bad. FP Perpetua>>>Mandrakk, heck even weakened Death metal Perpetua is above Mandrakk as the battle was so devastating the Overvoid sent the chronicler to report what was happening as … He is superior to the Hands, who in turn were superior to Perpetua and BWL. Mandrakk is the alpha. @superprimetime: Except Perpetua didn't create the multiverse from her own personal power, she created it using power granted to her by the Source, so the feat of creating the multiverse shouldn't count. @mandrakksfang: No. You are just a sad person. You wouldn’t say because she pulled materials and energy from the Source that she must also be superior to the Source as well? There is a reason why we talk about the different runs of authors and compare how they wrote the characters and any story elements that contradict. Overvoid couldn't go anything about Perpetua ripping him apart and the SOurce creating an infinite number of multiverses on it. Meaning the statement made by Alpheus is not applicable to him. It's always the Source / The Overvoid. If I tore a part of your foot off and was making something near you, I'm sure you would notice, and might even investigate. So saying The Source > The Overvoid is wrong. A tool is something one wields to carry out work. Ok. An ant on appears on my body against my will. The Source and The Overvoid both fit that role. No one wields the Overvoid. You're literally like someone using the bible to argue that the earth is literally 6000 years old. That doesn’t really matter it was freely given to her, it’s like saying OF Thor cant use the Odinforce, nevermind your forgetting the context. You would think it would be that simple, but when dealing with religious fanatics it can't be. She didn't pull energy and materials from the source because she can't because she isn't superior to the source. You and your friends here in the Crisis Squad make them on a daily basis. Perpetua vs Thought Robot. They don't seem to realize what a joke they are, but then there's only two of them. So the logic is Synder added upon the idea on Final Crisis but instead of Mandrakk and The others, the origin changed from Perpetua creating the Multiverse. The hands do not come from the overvoid, and mandrakk is well below perpetua lol. http://www.twitch.tv/eligiblemonsterPatreon! We cannot. I am sure that Power Girl is phsyically stronger than her and Diana wins because she is sligthly weaker, but WW is better trained and has more experience. Which is it? ... what about perpetua and the cosmic raptor. Which they do not. You can try to flood the thread with as much nonsense as you want, won't matter. In the grand scheme of DC Mandrakk was nothing more then a pawn and Perpetua even stats she made Mandrakk rise to power to lose her chains on the source wall, Mandrakk wouldn’t even be above Barbatos at best they are equals using feats Barbatos is above Mandrakk. She was sent by the Source twenty billion years ago to create new systems of life within the greater omniverse. Every Alternate Superman is just the Archetype Idea emanating in the lower world that is Fiction. FP Perpetua>>>Mandrakk, heck even weakened Death metal Perpetua is above Mandrakk as the battle was so devastating the Overvoid sent the chronicler to report what was happening as the mutliverse was going to die without outside help, so the chronicler reported back and the hands were sent. But "God" in the context of what Grant Morrison was talking about IS the Overvoid. I'm not afraid. Read the context. If this is an anime to put is simply Mandrakk was Madara and Perpetua was Kaguya. The honey analogy is perfectly accurate. And also to mention one point, Crisis On infinite Earth is always there likes it's a suggest there is a Crisis affect the Infinite Universe, Final Crisis could be considered a Crisis On Infinite Earth. Mandrakk depowered one shot them. Not unlike a human taking honey from a beehive, and bees then starting to investigate when they notice something is off. It just means you can't handle the discussion here and need to troll to try to cover up how wrong you were on these subjects. Mandrakk depowered one shot them. Yeah.....empty words. Billions of years ago, A race known as the Super Celestials were tasked by the Judges of the Source to create new life within the Omnisverse. @ducksarenothot: Here is the image just in case you were wondering. Darkseid? It's from one of the Death Metal one shots. @mandrakksfang: It’s quite simple to understand Perpetua at full power made everything in the DC mutliverse, EVERYTHING. Mandrakk is the alpha. The idea of whether or not I have control of a non-sentient object is quite different as to whether I have control over an animal or human. So The Presence, The Source, The Overmonitor/Overvoid are all the same being (supposedly). He is superior to the Hands, who in turn were superior to Perpetua and BWL. @superprimetime: If he listened to logic he wouldn't keep insisting Nil is outside the multiverse or that onitors are still nigh above everyone else. Making her children from the nothingness =/= she’s superior to the Overvoid. How is the idea of past canons so hard for you to understand? I'm not being obtuse I just don't separate the verse by defining each writers impact on the DCU as a canon because there's literally no reason to do this. Mandrakk depowered one shot them. This logic is flawed because affecting something with or without permission does not prove that one is superior to what they're affecting. Monitor-Mind The Overvoid | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom. @xearesay: Almost everyone on this forum clowns you and MJ, I guess we re all alts, right? Anyone reading knows how toxic you are and how afraid you are to even discuss these comics in a civil manner. It doesn't matter that his canon is still canon. There is no superior form of The Presence that should be seen as High 1-A or equivalent. That's all she wrote. That you attempt to twist it that way shows show dishonest you are being. i despise monitor wank so much. Same goes for the Overvoid and the hands. However I do agree that there is little correlation. This event literally incorporated all of DC’s history to try and organize it and establish it as all having happening. You just said that Perpetua and the Hands built something within it without it’s permission. Those other beings wanted to become the hand. Everything in it including the hands amount to 0. Why are you afraid? Not to mention COIE the original one took place before New 52. Going by this logic, because we build houses on the Earth without the Earth's permission that must mean we control the planet. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. If the overvoid was superior it would have been able to protect itself. I love how people in this thread still have no idea where the overvoid places in dc cosmology, and instead just go by their own headcanon and insist it is fact, despite their headcanon conflicting with Morrison's notes and recent canon from Death Metal. Monitor-Mind the Overvoid 3. Hacer clic para expandir... Como el resto de su raza, Perpetua es un ser nacido en el inconmensurable y eterno vacío del Overvoid. She TORE pieces from the overvoid, without it's permission. Hello, I heard often that Diana is ranked as the most powerful etc. We all know what the responses will be from that group, any and all statements will be inverted and polarized because you know you have nothing now but to scramble and try to flood threads with memes so only a few notice you were wrong. @alonis3612: That's not the point. However the energy of the white page emerged from within the emptiness. Monitor-Mind The Overvoid, also known as The Void, The Overmonitor and The Primal Monitor, is the ultimate source of all creation of the DC Comics Franchise. I don't need to provide evidence because you know the comics as well as I do. The same cannot be said for a human stealing honey from a bee. That has nothing to do with whether or not they are all valid. It's not that simple... Michael Julius is gay for Mandrakk and CAS, so everytime someone says something "bad" about them, MJ is right there to defend his lover. DC has a retroactive continuity so they can add things. That's all she wrote. Would have been interesting to see the specter play a part. 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 3 Gallery 4 Discussions Monitor-Mind the Overvoid is the void of absolute nothingness that encompasses creation, standing outside of its deepest reaches, beyond all dual concepts and the stories which form around them, being the crumbling point in which all things cease to be, and the background of all stories and ideas within DC Comics itself. However all of the work of these writers pump out is being consistently made to fit into one giant piece by the editors. Its not a tool. No, I'm not wrong about anything I've said. The answer is they don’t matter. The Source and The Overvoid both fit that role. So the logic is Synder added upon the idea on Final Crisis but instead of Mandrakk and The others, the origin changed from Perpetua creating the Multiverse. Doesn't matter, you know exactly what I'm referring to, and that's all the evidence I need. 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